Who Is Eli Lily Really Helping?

[NORMLAustimMom]

Doing research for my articles on Autism which are posted on a local political website, I have read the evidence and decided as a mother of an Autistic son to boycott Eli Lily products. Why you may ask,would a mother of an Autistic child decide to boycott the major company producing the most recent drugs for such frontal brain disorders? It would seem that Moms like myself would be estatic about this wonderfull company which is "helping" our children. Yet the facts seem to deny this.

Autism is now documented to have appeared in the 1943, since then a slew of frontal brain disorders has mired American children since this time and new ones are being discovered and treated daily. Treated with anti-physoctic drugs of which the major producer is Eli Lily. From Prozac to Zyprexa including the latest medication, Albifiy. All are added to the Medicaid/ Medicare budget approval from our Federal Government. Eli Lilly has made billions off the Social Security Revenue as proved in Kentucky http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/18/business/18DRUG.html?ei=5007&en=eabd126f35298421&ex=1387083600&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1125656351-AyiUXhqJ0TGqYpXHgjwXzQ (Article&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1125656351-AyiUXhqJ0TGqYpXHgjwXzQ)[/URL]
it is a mandated medication in these government programs the people of Kentucky were unable to stop the purchase of these drugs by federal mandate. Our government is now turning the cost of these medications from this company loose into the states pockets startin Jan 1st, 2006. Eli Lily has refused to lower the prices of these frontal brain disorder medications to any of the states as all new medications have a seven year patten upon their production and use. http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&p=Eli+Lilly+%26+Company%2C+Zyprexa%27s++medicaid+p rofits&xargs=0&pstart=1&fr=slv1-&b=11 (Search page be shocked.)
The Board members of Eli Lily are hand picked by the Bush Administration, Ex President George H Bush even served on the board himself and current President Bush hid his Stock invested in this company during his first term of office. The simple fact that a Bush Administration member in charge of Budget still works for Eli Lily says it all. The entire membership it seems is a blatant conflict of intrest, directed at our children.

Eli Lily even received protection from the Bush administration in the Homeland Security act. Stating that if indeed their vaccine contrubited to the cause Autism, Eli Lily is protected from law suits filed against the company by parents or those affected. Yet they are still the major producer of drugs for all frontal brain disorders at present. The FDA has approved such drugs from Eli Lily despite the violent history of Prozac and the Diabetes risk of the most common perscriptions they produce.

I personally want Eli Lily to restart its production of Cannabonoids endorsed by Dr. Rimland.
http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/newsletter/marijuana.htm
Evidence of their production untill Their production of this medication untill 1930's is well documented.
http://www.conquestdesign.com/uncler/html/CannabisAds/source/3.html (AD)
With the evidence of the onset and the rise in frontal brain disorders with many mothers testimony on it's effectivness. In conjunction with Dr. Rimlands advice
I for one believe it and have seen the evidence in my own child with my own eyes.

I am boycotting Eli Lily at least until they agree to further study safer, and possibly herbal remidies that they had previously produced since their company was founded. How can the government decide that the only medicines for the treatment of Autism and such disorders come from only one single producer who is making billions off these "new" medications? Kentucky may have lost this battle as a state to ban Eli Lily from their medicine cabnet, only us parents can make it a war.

KMS

[Lisa S]

Doing research for my articles on Autism which are posted on a local political website, I have read the evidence and decided as a mother of an Autistic son to boycott Eli Lily products. Why you may ask,would a mother of an Autistic child decide to boycott the major company producing the most recent drugs for such frontal brain disorders? It would seem that Moms like myself would be estatic about this wonderfull company which is "helping" our children. Yet the facts seem to deny this.

Autism is now documented to have appeared in the 1943, since then a slew of frontal brain disorders has mired American children since this time and new ones are being discovered and treated daily. Treated with anti-physoctic drugs of which the major producer is Eli Lily. From Prozac to Zyprexa including the latest medication, Albifiy. All are added to the Medicaid/ Medicare budget approval from our Federal Government. Eli Lilly has made billions off the Social Security Revenue as proved in Kentucky http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/18/business/18DRUG.html?ei=5007&en=eabd126f35298421&ex=1387083600&adxnnl=1&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1125656351-AyiUXhqJ0TGqYpXHgjwXzQ (Article&partner=USERLAND&adxnnlx=1125656351-AyiUXhqJ0TGqYpXHgjwXzQ)[/URL]
it is a mandated medication in these government programs the people of Kentucky were unable to stop the purchase of these drugs by federal mandate. Our government is now turning the cost of these medications from this company loose into the states pockets startin Jan 1st, 2006. Eli Lily has refused to lower the prices of these frontal brain disorder medications to any of the states as all new medications have a seven year patten upon their production and use. http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&p=Eli+Lilly+%26+Company%2C+Zyprexa%27s++medicaid+p rofits&xargs=0&pstart=1&fr=slv1-&b=11 (Search page be shocked.)
The Board members of Eli Lily are hand picked by the Bush Administration, Ex President George H Bush even served on the board himself and current President Bush hid his Stock invested in this company during his first term of office. The simple fact that a Bush Administration member in charge of Budget still works for Eli Lily says it all. The entire membership it seems is a blatant conflict of intrest, directed at our children.

Eli Lily even received protection from the Bush administration in the Homeland Security act. Stating that if indeed their vaccine contrubited to the cause Autism, Eli Lily is protected from law suits filed against the company by parents or those affected. Yet they are still the major producer of drugs for all frontal brain disorders at present. The FDA has approved such drugs from Eli Lily despite the violent history of Prozac and the Diabetes risk of the most common perscriptions they produce.

I personally want Eli Lily to restart its production of Cannabonoids endorsed by Dr. Rimland.
http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/newsletter/marijuana.htm
Evidence of their production untill Their production of this medication untill 1930's is well documented.
http://www.conquestdesign.com/uncler/html/CannabisAds/source/3.html (AD)
With the evidence of the onset and the rise in frontal brain disorders with many mothers testimony on it's effectivness. In conjunction with Dr. Rimlands advice
I for one believe it and have seen the evidence in my own child with my own eyes.

I am boycotting Eli Lily at least until they agree to further study safer, and possibly herbal remidies that they had previously produced since their company was founded. How can the government decide that the only medicines for the treatment of Autism and such disorders come from only one single producer who is making billions off these "new" medications? Kentucky may have lost this battle as a state to ban Eli Lily from their medicine cabnet, only us parents can make it a war.

KMS


Hi KMS,
You must be joking! Do you seriously expect parents of autistic children who are doing well on medications manufactured by Eli Lilly to withdraw these medicines, possibly harming their own children, to boycott Eli Lilly in order to help you force them to manufacture a marijuana derivative or to sponsor a clinical trial that gives marijuana to autistic children? That would be crazy, in my opinion! What responsible parent would allow their child to participate in such a clinical trial? If a competent adult decides to take marijuana for medical reasons in a state where it is legal, then that is their right to decide. But giving marijuana to a child is surely illegal. A child has to be 18 or 19 to legally smoke tobacco cigarettes. Doesn't habitual marijuana use cause brain damage?

There are some factual errors in your post as well. I can't get most of your links to work for me, so I can't verify your sources, but you might want to check the facts before you post an article on the political website containing them. I'm sure you wouldn't want to unintentionally mislead anyone.

First, Eli Lilly does not manufacture Abilify. Abilify was discovered by a Japanese pharaceutical company called Otsuka Pharmaceuticals and it is manufactured in the U.S. by Bristol-Myers-Squibb in conjunction with Otsuka America.

Eli Lilly's patent on Prozac has expired. While they continue to manufacture the name brand Prozac, other pharmaceutical companies manufacture generic Fluoxetine, which is Prozac's active ingredient. Most states' Medicaid programs have the pharmacists fill the prescription with a generic medication if one is available unless the physician specifically requests the name brand drug by checking "Dispense as Written" and in some cases, he has to get prior authorization to do that.

There are several other manufacturers of psychiatric medication whose medications are covered by Medicaid. There are schizophrenics for whom Zyprexa is the only effective drug that controls their symptoms, despite its potential side effects. Are you suggesting that Medicaid not cover this sometimes life-saving medicine for the poorest Americans who could never afford to pay for this medication themselves simply because it is expensive? What do you suggest these poor Americans do without the only medicine that helps them control their symptoms? Have you ever seen a paranoid schizophrenic who suddenly stopped taking his or her medication? I have and it is not a pleasant experience, believe me. It costs the taxpayers much less in the long run to cover the cost of psychiatric medication for these people on an outpatient basis than to cover the intensive inpatient treatment necessary to get them stabilized again because they could not afford their medicine. There are other psychiatric medications that cost even more, believe it or not. Abilify (manufactured by Bristol-Myers-Squibb, not Eli Lilly) is one of them.

Lisa

[NORMLAustimMom]

There are plenty of other medication producers that have meds as safe and effective as Eli Lily, a list of them appears in the New York Times article as below:

The panel decided to tackle antipsychotics "because there was a huge opportunity for savings without impacting the quality of care," said Dr. Robert Hughes, a family-practice physician from Murray, Ky., who is chairman of the state's Medicaid pharmacy committee.
Kentucky spent $80 million on antipsychotics last year, more than on any other class of drugs. That included $36 million for Zyprexa. Though Zyprexa costs almost twice as much as similar drugs — about $10 a day — Lilly contends that the drug has earned its best-seller status because doctors find it works significantly better than its competitors.
The committee circulated a proposal that would have eliminated Zyprexa from the state's preferred-drug list. Patients who were already taking Zyprexa would be allowed to continue getting it indefinitely. But new patients would first have to try an alternative — including drugs like Risperdal from Johnson & Johnson, Seroquel from AstraZeneca or Geodon from Pfizer. All these drugs are known as atypical antipsychotics, to distinguish them from an earlier class of antipsychotic medications that can cause tics and sometimes even disfigurement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/18/business/18DRUG.html?ei=5035&en=ddb840864d44f939&ex=1158123600&adxnnl=1&partner=MARKE****CH&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1121707094-1EcER4dc1cM8c98zeem/SQ
Compared the the risk of type 2 Diabetes and other unknow conditiond Eli Lily drugs could cause, and the fact that the FDA approves mainly Eli Lily drugs not under the same standards other companies are held to because of their ties to the Federal Government.
A company that may have caused this to my child and sought to protect itself through the government from the ends of it's own actions is extremely untrustworthy to me and my child.
The Frivolous lawsuit act President Bush is seeking block parents and children from ever suing them so they are basically operating and treating our kids with immunity of their actions. Do I trust them to have my childs best and future intrests at heart over their own gains? Hell no.
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/eli_lilly.htm
In fact they have done nothing more than intake trillions of dollars making sure Autism was one condition they could not be made to pay if ever proved to have contributed to its massive growth. Now they seek more lawsuit protection. What company would do this is they do truly belive that their medications are safe and helpfull, or at least considerable so? Parents in Texas, Kentucky New York,and other states have been blocked form lawsuits such as these and now they are trying to make them an impossibility.

Do I advocate cold turkey off mental meds? No I do not, I am saying talk to your doctor, and ask what else is there for treatment? I am sure you will find in your family receives Federal or State aid that ONLY Eli Lily is covered under their spending. Withy the backing of other professionals saying that these are dangerous and unknown drugs not yet known what effects are causing in pedatric patients, I for one chose to seek out alternate meds that do not make my child overeat, cause diabetes and whos companies will stand behind thier products not try to negate blame even before a problem has occured, this is a major red flag as to what it is I am dosing my child with.
The immediate effects of these meds is not worth what the result could be in a few more years for my son.
The testimony of other mothers is documented on the use of a natural herbal medicine, that does not cause anywhere near this damage to a kids system. That is where I will continue to go toward. These medications are new the one I choose has been used since 6000 BC, and this type of illness has never been a previlant or even noted since it was removed form our medicinal consumption in 1930.
Autism is new, as are all these other disorders, I will not let them continue to charge my state 10 dollars a day per child to play God.

KMS

[StrictNon-Confo]

Autism is new? You're clearly full of BS to make such a foolish statement! :wave: The word "autism" is relatively new, but the existence of people that would fall under that description is ancient. Though I can't prove or disprove it, observation points to my father (now deceased 7 years) being an Aspie, long before your foolishly-accused MMR vaccines had any influence, and I'd wager his father, too, who was born in 1906. Those that would be classified as being on the spectrum didn't just mysteriously sprout up in numbers in the last couple of decades: recognition due to a combination of changing definitions and education has made it much more recognized, combined with the reality that many more of us (note what viewpoint I'm using before you go spouting off more uneducated crap, as I may be as old or older than you are, for all you know, and yes, I have an older sister, also on the spectrum) are not thrown away in insane asylums, never to be spoken of, or the other nasty things that have happened to those that are outside of the "normal" range in the past.

As to the drug companie's drugs being any more or less safe than herbal remedies, and whether they have more or less side-effects, the belief that the herbal solutions are naturally superior because they're "natural" and have "been used for thousands of years" is another bit of false logic. Guess what: herbal remedies are just (in the cases of those that have been used for a long time) the older version of what we'd call "drug companies" have put out or discovered. Surely you don't believe that all the modern drugs don't originate with naturally occurring substances, do you? All that modern pharmacology has done is made things more repeatable for substance quality and quantity, and provided a more formal procedure for testing the safety or efficacy of a substance for a particular use: this neither makes them more or less beneficial/correct than the more unpredictable quality/quantity of herbal remedies, but does make things much easier for mass production, which leads (in the long run) to a greater chance that things will be beneficial to more people. As to the issue of testimonials for the herbal remedies, yeah, well, you've heard of snake oil and such, haven't you? Just because someone testifies "This herbal remedy works great!" doesn't mean squat, anymore than someone that testifies "This big drug company's pharmaceutical works great!" in reality: they can both be lieing or stretching the truth, and can both be paid off (in one form or another) for their services. In reality, there's no such thing as a free lunch: if something you ingest causes one desireable change, chances are it will cause at least one undesired change. This is true for anything ingested that may have medicinal value. Furthermore, not everyone reacts in the same way to a given substance as everyone else, and I use myself as an example: for most people, Vicodin causes them to be knocked out and drowsy. In my case, it acts like an extreme upper, and for me to get the beneficial effects (supposed to kill pain and prehaps relax muscles, which is very useful when dealing with kidney stones, of which I've put out an asteroid belt volume, it seems) I need to take about twice the maximum dosage "normal" people take. Morphine, too, is something I can shrug off, to the point where I can be given the maximum dose a non-terminal patient can take, and it doesn't do much. I have a high pain threshold, but unfortunately, also a very high painkiller threshold as well, it appears. Fortunately, there seems to be other things that work better for me.

The way your thread-starting post is written, it seems you're lumping autism in with epilepsy, schizophrenia, and a host of other things that are clearly illnesses, genetically arrived at and/or otherwise, and stating that it, too, should be treated with drugs. Well, that's more BS: there's no drug/herbal "remedies" to truly "treat" autism or those with that neurology, so much as there might be some drugs/herbal "remedies" that have some benefits for managing other common issues that go along for the ride. As I've observed over a long period of time, it seems that most of the drugs are used for causing those that are "abnormal" (those on the spectrum, that is) to appear "normal" or, in other words, incarcerate the autistics in a portable insane asylum within their own bodies, keeping them from being able to fully form thoughts that lead to actions that are considered "incorrect" and "diseased" in the eyes of others. These substances can absolutely lead to mind-altering development, and that's often far more damaging than those that would tell you "try this!" would have you believe, assuming they know or even care themselves. Have you ever personally been prescribed anything like this as a kid? I have experience here, as a result of having a febrile seizure at the age of 2 and 1/2 years old after catching strep throat and running a very high fever, where I was prescribed Phenobarbital. I hated taking it, and hated the effects it had on me, as it really messed up my world. And yes, I remember things before that age, so don't delude yourself into thinking kids won't remember things at a very young age, because they might remember far more than you'd expect. My parents didn't like the effects it had on me, either, and eventually weaned me off of it, thankfully. I could point to many times in my childhood where if you'd asked me how I got to a time/place compared to where I was 5 minutes ago, I would have been at a complete loss, because that time was completely missing. I would like to emphasize to you: autism is NOT psychosis as psychosis involves losing contact with reality, as those on the spectrum are painfully aware of reality in all its gory (no "L" was intended, I assure you: no typo there!) and have more of an issue not being able to filter out enough of it coming in, or control what they want to that goes out, in terms of controlling their environment and/or body as desired. Drugging someone into submission so as to eliminate those unpleasant displays of frustration that accompanies an overdose of incoming reality combined with an inability to massage the outgoing thoughts into what's desired doesn't make someone "Better" or "Happier" but merely short-circuits their minds into losing track of reality: it makes them insane, from the definition of psychosis. Infinitely better is to learn and know how to turn off the incoming overflow of reality, and control ones' body in a way to achieve a goal, rather than to be told "Sit up! Roll over! Beg! Good dog!" that drugging someone into submission is more likely to accomplish, leaving them with perhaps less long-term ability to collect all coherency together to the point where strong emotions of any kind are felt and developed, beyond the feeling of being perpetually lost.

If you wish to be convincing and persuasive, you'll need to greatly improve the quality of your writing and research and reasoning, and not mix all sorts of unrelated crap into the point you're trying to make. Regardless of the cronyism you're trying to point out (which tends to exist in all but governing bodies of ice floes with no constituents other than polar bears, which, if they're well-traveled, might very well be bipolar bears) your whole rant comes across as a major adult tantrum screaming, "It's not fair! I'm saddled with this damaged child that's got to be somebody else's fault, since I'm so perfect that there's absolutely no way this could be related to anything I've done or not done, so I'm going to find the people with deep pockets to take my anger at life out on, since it's just obvious that some nefarious profiteers are responsible for this, even though I don't have facts beyond a shadow of a doubt!" which indicates to me that for all that you might state "I'm normal" that emotionally, you're just as developmentally delayed, if not more so, than the far wiser group (often younger, too) that just accept the reality for what it is: autistic people exist (always have, too) regardless of what anybody has done or will do, and will continue to do so, unless research and policy conspire to prevent those that might eventually be diagnosable as being on the autistic spectrum from ever being born. We are a naturally occurring being, and persistently denying it is delusional: it would appear that if anyone needs those psychotropic drugs due to being "reality-challenged" and suffering from delusions, you've argued strongly in favor that you'd be one of them in line, leading to the extrapolation (perhaps) that your big complaint is that you can't afford your own drugs anymore, and want them reimbursed by everyone else! :D

There are plenty of other medication producers that have meds as safe and effective as Eli Lily, a list of them appears in the New York Times article as below:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/18/business/18DRUG.html?ei=5035&en=ddb840864d44f939&ex=1158123600&adxnnl=1&partner=MARKE****CH&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1121707094-1EcER4dc1cM8c98zeem/SQ<snip for space>

The immediate effects of these meds is not worth what the result could be in a few more years for my son.
The testimony of other mothers is documented on the use of a natural herbal medicine, that does not cause anywhere near this damage to a kids system. That is where I will continue to go toward. These medications are new the one I choose has been used since 6000 BC, and this type of illness has never been a previlant or even noted since it was removed form our medicinal consumption in 1930.
Autism is new, as are all these other disorders, I will not let them continue to charge my state 10 dollars a day per child to play God.

KMS